Wicca Author Answers Her Critics

Witchcraft Booklet

Here at CTS, we recently received this anonymous comment about our booklet on Wicca and Witchcraft.

“I’m Wiccan. I’m not bad. I have no supernatural powers and I am not socially accepted. I love my religion, just like you love yours.

“Books like you are publishing are part of the biggest problem with the world. They’re HATE books. Please stop. Please find tolerance for others and love. You wouldn’t publish a book on the dangers of Islam.”

We asked the author, Elizabeth Dodd, to respond. We hope CTS Catholic Compass can be a space where dialogue and clarification can take place.

Here is what she wrote:

“Thank you for your comment. I’m sorry that you took a message of hate away from the booklet – that wasn’t my intention.

“I can understand why a discussion of ‘the dangers’ of Wicca might seem persecutory. But Wicca is a potentially dangerous religion – I’m sure many Wiccans would agree. The threefold law implies danger – cast a negative spell and three times’ the negativity comes back to you.

Good News

“For CTS to publish a booklet on witchcraft is a positive thing for Wiccans. It’s a starting point for dialogue.

“Crucially, this is a book written for a Catholic audience. That a Catholic would want to evangelise a Wiccan should come as no surprise – but evangelisation doesn’t mean forced conversion – it comes from the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον, which means to give a good message.

“For a Catholic, that good news encompasses everything: it’s knowing that we have been created in the image of a loving God who became a man and gave literally everything up for us, and who continually makes that incredible sacrifice in the Mass.

“Sharing this message can be done in all sorts of way but it cannot be done with hate.

Sharing answers

“From my research, Wiccans are frequently young people. Sometimes it feels like that’s a demographic  the Church is missing. Young people are spiritually hungry, and carry the burdens of a globalisation that means we have a moral responsibility as regards our coffee, our carbon emissions and our cosmetics.

“I wrote this book because I found, over the course of my conversion to Catholicism, that those concerns are answered in a very deep way by the Church, and that was something I wanted to share with Wiccans and Catholics alike.

“In the book I emphasise that Wicca is not Satanic, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other dangers that Catholics, and Wiccans, have a responsibility to think about.”

NB. We have also published a booklet on Islam from a catholic perspective, which talks about the differences and similarities between the two faiths.

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Comments

Posted On
Apr 11, 2011
Posted By
Jolie

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Posted On
Mar 17, 2011
Posted By
roberto quintas

Elisabeth Dodd:
“The threefold law implies danger – cast a negative spell and three times’ the negativity comes back to you”.

You really don’t even get a clue, what Wicca really is, do you? The Tree-fold Law is not a “law”, is more like a warning. All humans beings must understand that all acts or omissions have consequences. This is true free-will. Much less dangerous than a supreme being that condemn us just because we act accordingly to a nature that this entity made us with.

Posted On
Aug 05, 2011
Posted By
The-Grey-Panther, a teen Wiccan

Thank you very much, roberto quintas, for your awesome answer!
anyway, here’s something i found (with my comebacks)

Various questions to ask witches:
“How do you know that neo-paganism (witchcraft) is true?”
“What if you are wrong?”
“If there are such things as gods and goddesses why have they not revealed themselves physically like Jesus Christ has?”
“If Jesus is not absolutely God and only a good man then why did he claim to be God over and over?”

my answers:

1. How do you know that neo-paganism (witchcraft) is true?
‘Cuz I say so. XP

2. What if you are wrong?
Then I’m ready to go to Hell.

3. If there are such things as gods and goddesses why have they not revealed themselves physically like Jesus Christ has?
According to legend, they already have, in many different ways. They manifest through nature and through people.

4. If Jesus is not absolutely God and only a good man then why did he claim to be God over and over?
You have no way of knowing if he actually said “I am God”. Anybody can say the words “I am God”. From where I’m standing, it was his fanbase that came up with that.

Posted On
Aug 05, 2011
Posted By
sfinaldi

Thanks for setting your Q&As out so clearly and reasonably. Here is a brief response to each of them:

1. While of course, you can believe what you wish, it is not made true simply by the fact that you believe it. (and yes I know that this idea applies to Catholics too.)

2. More than not wanting you to go to hell – which of course I don’t – it is a case of living a life in search of the truth, which we can know, understand and were made for, and which will make you and me happy.

3. Can’t say we are going to agree on much here, we differ because I see some confusion between “nature” a created thing, and the Creator.

4. His “fanbase” – which is not a title I have heard his followers given before – would not have come up with it simply because they were Jews – a people for whom the idea of God becoming a man was unthinkable – the belief came from what they had seen and what He himself had said.

Posted On
Aug 24, 2011
Posted By
The-Grey-Panther, a teen Wiccan

thank you for your kind answers. ^_^

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Mystere

As a practicing Pagan whose morals and ritual reflect Wiccan modes, as well as carry over views from my Catholic upbringing, I find that there is a serious need for open-minded conversation on both sides of this debate. However, here’s something that Catholics need to keep in mind when it comes to Wicca and other forms of Paganism: Wicca does not discourage or tout as false Catholic or Christian belief in any way. Most Wiccans will tell you that they don’t believe in the Christian Satan, and therefore do not worship him, and this is certainly true. They also do not worship the Christian God, which is the heart of Christian issues with Paganism and Wicca. Instead, they worship the God and Goddess, the masculine and feminine aspects of Divinity, and Wicca tends to use the Celtic face of Cernunnos or Pan for the God, and many Goddesses from Brighid to Hecate to Aphrodite and Hestia to represent the multifaceted Great Mother. Other Pagans worship other pantheons of deities, seeing them as the many aspects of the Divine that is manifest as the Earth and the Universe arounds us. Creation is not a thing seperate from Divinity, but a form through which the Divine is present with us and in us. Our Gods are well-rounded and individual, and our relationships vary from servants and devotees to family-like ones, such as my relationship with my Goddess, Nyx, and Her family. I have worked with the Christian God in some of my rituals on behalf of my Christian friends, crafting protective amulets or healing emotional pain for them.

The Rule of Three is the same thing as cause-and-effect, but taken with the approach that you will suffer repercussions, or recieve rewards, greater than your efforts. This really tends to be a matter of perception, but the heart of the belief and the teaching is the concept of personal responsibility and accountability. This is something that many Pagans see is missing in the modern world and in many forms of Christianity. Personally, I think that Catholicism’s practice of confession is certainly closer to the mark than some others, but it often is misused and undervalued, especially since, in my experiences in my 17 years in the Church, penances are more often prayers than attempts to reconcile the wrong done. Under the Rule of Three, you have to deal with the consequences directly, in one form or another, and this, when taken with a serious attitude and perspective, is a great teacher, and a healthy thought process for anyone of any faith.

As far as the common age group, yes, many new converts to Wicca are young teens, mostly girls, who are looking for themselves and a way to empower themselves. A good many of these teens come into the Craft with the belief that they can make others do what they want, they’ll be powerful, and they’ll get that cute boy on the football team to like them. When they find out that it’s much more serious than that, or that casting a love spell is taking someone else’s free will away and that has serious consequences – or when they face those consequences, they usually leave. The ones that stay often find a sense of fulfillment, purpose, and an intimate relationship with the Divine that they carry with them for the rest of their lives, whether they remain on the Wiccan path, choose another Pagan path, or even return to the religion they were born into.

Paganism saved my life. I was suicidal, disillusioned with my beliefs, and generally felt isolated regardless of my long-standing, healthy relationship with the boy who is now my fiance and my friends and family. I didn’t question the correctness of the Catholic beliefs, just whether I believed them. They didn’t resonate in my heart. They felt hollow and empty and completely disconnected from me. In my view of the system, there was no place for me and what I needed. There was no support. When I found Paganism, and when my Goddess came to me and claimed me, not as Her follower, but as her Daughter, there was a connectedness that went to my core. I still have troubles – as a college student, I’m still growing and learning and dealing with stresses – but I find much more strength in the quietness of looking up at the stars and the Full Moon and feeling my Goddess and the Divine in the night than I ever found in a church or talking to Elohim. My voice was lost and echoed in an emptiness when I tied myself to Him. Now, I don’t need to speak, because my Goddess is in my heart, and I in Hers.

You may find your home in the Church, and if that is so, then I am truly happy for you. But my home is under the stars.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Wil

If you are not an author and have not written a book about Wicca and the over all general beliefs you should seriously consider doing so. This was a well written artical and explains what the pagan path really is. Thank you for your artical.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Heather Bertine

Not all Wiccans take any more of a message of hate from publications like this than any other evangelical publication that speaks of dangers of any other religion. We’ve had Jack Chick’s tracts as a shining example of this for years, and some of us just ignore it. Proselytizing religions proselytize…it’s a fact of life. If it bothers us, we can refrain from reading it. I can see where some overly enthusiastic folks might take it upon themselves to shove such things into anyone’s face, but again, it is our own choice whether to listen or not. When a telephone solicitor calls during dinner, don’t answer the phone. I urge my fellow pagans to take a deep breath, realize that this is something that need not affect them, and leave these people alone. Everyone has the right to write books about their own religions.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Kristin Black

I would have to whole-heartedly agree with Kerri Connor. The idea of going to a place where you burn and are tortured for eternity because of your “sins” is far, far worse than the threefold law. I’m sorry, but a god who says he loves you but then sends you to place like that if he doesn’t like what you do is no god I want to worship. It saddens me that Christianity teaches such hypocritical values. Love your fellow man….only if he believes in the same things you do. Excuse me?
It’s also interesting to me that Christians in the past (and even today with the extremists who kill abortion Doctors. Two wrongs don’t make a right, people.) say they honor the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill yet found it justified to kill Pagans and Jews alike simply because they did not believe in Christianity. I’m sure some of you are aware that a recent study has shown that MOST Christians are not educated about their religion, most particularly the history and origins of Christianity. I’m sure that if many of you took the the time, you would find that most of your values stem from Pagan ideology. Emperor Constantine of ancient Rome only converted to Christianity and outlawed the Pagan religion of the time to curb the rising and violent revolt of Christians who somehow took the wonderful message of Jesus Christ to mean that you should kill unbelievers and recognize women as second class.
If you really want to learn about the dangers of Christianity and the origins of your current belief system, I highly recommend that you watch the movie ‘Agora’! If you would like to learn the TRUE message of Jesus Christ, I recommend that you read the Gnostic gospels and the Nag Hammadi and not some overly produced and badly edited version of the Dead Sea Scrolls which has been so butchered, you can’t take it seriously. By the way, the Holy Bible is simply a bunch of stories meant to be metaphors, not something to be entirely taken literally. If many of you were educated in ancient history, you would know this.
My biggest suggestion to Christians is to practice what you preach which is love and acceptance and stop applying it conditional values. Maybe then, you could call yourselves true Christians.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Jessica

Any religion can be made dangerous by people who use it. She singles out Wicca. There are wannabe Wiccans which sadly do give the rest of the Wicca/Pagan/Neo Pagans a bad name. However, I could say the same for Catholics/Christians. You want to mock the idea of magik and yet among the Catholics specifically, there are procedures for Exorcisms. But its ok for you all to play with fire…right.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Kerri Connor

Your research shows that most Wiccans are young people?

not very good research, since it’s simply not true.

Wicca is dangerous because of the threefold law?

Ummm…. I don’t know, but isn’t the idea of going to HELL far more dangerous than having something come back to you three times?

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Andrea Green

True

Posted On
Feb 16, 2011
Posted By
David Jackson

The new CTS publication “Wicca and Witchcraft” needs to be read against the backdrop of the RC Bishops’ Conference recent (April 2010 CTS publication) teaching statement on interreligious dialogue: “Meeting God in Friend and Stranger”. Both 1) proclamation of the faith (reasons for the hope that is in us) – aiming at drawing people to Baptism and Church membership and 2) dliaogue – aiming at mutual respect and interfaith understanding are the twin connected aspects of evangelisation (all Christians do and say in the name of the Gospel). Both should be marked by a spirit of respect and dialogue. Charity and prudence are the hallmarks of dialogue. The Bishops’ statement provides a clear theology and spirituality for relations with all other religions.

Posted On
Feb 16, 2011
Posted By
Deacon Nick Donnelly

I think we have to be clear here what we mean by ‘respect’ in the context of inter-religious dialogue. It can only mean respect for the person as a human being made in the image of God. It can’t mean respect for those beliefs that are contrary or directly opposed to the teachings of the Church. It would not be fair or truthful to respect ‘error’.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
KarenS

It seems to me that “respect” in that sense, ignoring a different but equally embraced religion or calling it ‘error’, is no respect at all.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Kathryn Hughes

As a Pagan (however, not Wiccan) I want to say herein lies the problem. “Error” is a matter of perspective. Pagan’s believe it is the non-Pagans who have erred. As a Pagan, I respect both the individual and their belief system, even if I think that belief system is in error. Nevertheless, I can only respect the individual if I also respect that which satisfies them spiritually.

Respect should come based on character. If the character is good, the belief system that forms that character can not be bad. There are many good Christians therefore I must hold some respect for Christianity. Those who are Christian and not good people simply aren’t really Christian. The same is true of Pagans.

The Christians themselves seem unable to agree on what is “error” as the theology varies so much from one denomination to another and so many are hypercritical of each other.

Again, error is a matter of perception. Judge not……

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Richard Collins

Wicca, along with ouija boards, tarot cards, star signs and the rest are intrinsically evil as they all deny God’s power in the world and accord the prospect of power to another source, unwittingly, Satan.
I look forward to reading this book immensely.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Sandy Davis

They all deny God’s power? Who’s to say it’s not God’s power instead of Satan?

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Rev. Crystal

i read your post. and if i may have your email i would be more than happy to send you and articale. that states the devil came from the christians, as wiccans and pagan do not belive in the devil, but what we call the three fold law, what you do to someone will come back to you three times as hard… teaching us not to harm anyone,
Rev. Crystal

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Proteus

I don’t think you’ll find it very interesting Collins. It’s basically Wicca101 for the first three quarters of the book and then some common sense dialog sugjestions in the back. On the whole I didn’t think it was very interesting from a Catholic or a Wiccan standpoint.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Fr Kevin O'Donnell

I haven’t read the CTS booklet on Wicca yet, but such things always stir up opposition. It is so important to handle such people with great care and sensitivity, and to acknowledge their searching hearts and any values they have in their system. A Wicca member wrote in the Brighton Argus newspaper at Halloween most eloquently and movingly about respect for the rhythms of the earth and the ancestors. These are things that should be deep within the Catholic faith, with care for creation and prayers for the departed, and these can shine forth in the full light of Christ. Sadly, a local Anglican could do no more than lambaste the pagans who had hijacked All Saints. It was sad that they had taken the limelight, but are we shining examples ourselves? Recognise their values and search our own faith to see where we can agree and shine our own light. Christ is the Light of the World and will fulfill the hearts desires of all. True, Wicca practitioners are not bad people. They are playing with forces that they do not understand, though, as well as seeking balance and reverence for nature.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Kathryn Hughes

Statistics show that the claim made in the book that most Wiccans are young people is wrong. Although Wicca only represents a small portion of the Pagan community this is true for the whole community. The majority of Pagans are 30-60 yrs. and very well educated.

They understand the forces they deal with very well. They are better protected from negative forces than the average Christian. Those negative forces do not include Satan because he simply doesn’t exist except in the minds of Christians.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
culchiewoman

“Hijacked All Saints”? That’s a bit backward, isn’t it? Christians hijacked Samhain and called it “All Saints”. Historical fact, not chicken and egg.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Mikhail Ramendik

The links on the books “Jesus Christ the bearer…” and “Cathlicism and other religions” are not working.

(I wonder if I qualify for the Papal book now ;) I am in Ireland but I have friends in Northern Ireland who could take the delivery)

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Adam Coates

Well said on the point about young people! As a young person converting to Catholicism the author of this book is quite right to assert that young people are increasingly spiritual. This MUST be harnessed by means of a clear message on teachings as opposed to the silly wet ‘your choice’ teachings which have infected our Church.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Dawn

I also am a convert to Catholocism, and I think that young people are hungry for a spiritual life and that evangelisation and spreading the good news is important for all young people. Knowing what the Church teaches and believes is essential for true evangelisation.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Keith Wood

My daughter claims to be wiccan. She is perfectly happy and well balanced.
In my (very limited) experience ‘wiccans’ are not at any more serious risk in the real world than the practitioners of any other false religion. But THAT risk is eternal.
Surely then the point is more to do with the question, ‘What is Truth?’. There is only ONE way to serve God and this (in my opinion, and my life experience) is within the Church that Jesus vouchsafed to Peter.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
MARGARET MACMILLAN

I think that it is a foolish statement to say that Wicca is not Satanic, Surely we are sophisticated enough to know that Satan can employ many guises, even religious ones,

My painful observation is that I saw some members of college group having to be seen by Psychologists after a Oujie board experence. Sadly, my daugher was drawn into such ‘playthings’ . Early warning signs, such as tearing a Bible in pieces, precipitated her fall into drugs, This was followed by a cruel accident and Psychosis.

There is a redemptive part to this personal story. One day my daughter phoned me and told me that she was going to church, even though she could persuade no one to go with her. This led her to return to God through Jesus Christ. Even then she, who had so much intelligence and wit, died at twenty seven years of age.

I shuddered later, when I found out just far young people can go without Christ. Matthew in the New Testament, Chapter 8, verses 28. talks of two people coming out of the tombs. Some of the youngsters I know had a similar love for music which had death for its focus and cemeteries for their playground.

As Christians, if we love people, we should not be silent in our witness. That stance is often taken through cowardice. If we have been guilty of this, we should remember how Saint Peter, the Apostle repented.

Let those who have the skill write warnings, those who have a voice uncover that which is usually done in secret. Let the Holy Spirit, the Sacraments and the Word of God, lead us on to all truth.

Margaret, a mother.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Rob

Isn’t the key issue here that Wiccas have no supernatural power?

There may be a “danger” to the extent that any rival religion is a danger to Catholicism because of its ability to distract from the Truth. But isn’t that a danger of all sorts of thinks from Football to TV?

By focussing on the “dangers of wicca”, and putting it in a different category from fottball or TV you are dignifying a lot of silly practices with power that they lack and by taking the dangers of wicca seriously you are in some way believing the same supersticious nonsense that the Wiccas themselves do.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Paul Rodden

This little booklet is a very useful introduction to the subject from a Catholic perspective, particularly as Wicca is present in many schools, and girls are particularly vulnerable.

Wicca is seen as ‘harmless’ or a bit of ‘tree-hugging’ fun, whereas if it was Mormonism (or overt Catholicism – even in some Catholic Schools!), parents would soon be ranting and stomping about in their stereotypically ill-informed manner, sounding off about the dangers – and sounding very stupid – without any ‘facts’, apart from hyped-up and badly researched TV documentaries.

This booklet (like the excellent one on Mormonism in the same CTS series!) gives non-experts an opportunity to find out some facts first in a quick and easily readable format. My copy of the Wicca and Witchcraft booklet arrived Saturday, and I read it in less than an hour!

This series also gives introductions to other subjects and are a great springboard to more in-depth works on the subjects.

The only one so far that I found very disappointing, was Cyprian Blamires’ one on Protestantism, which just sounded like a convert with an axe to grind.

Posted On
Feb 17, 2011
Posted By
Jessica

Any religion can be made dangerous by people who use it. She singles out Wicca. There are wannabe Wiccans which sadly do give the rest of the Wicca/Pagan/Neo Pagans a bad name. However, I could say the same for Catholics/Christians. You want to mock the idea of magik and yet among the Catholics specifically, there are procedures for Exorcisms. But its ok for you all to play with fire…right.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Virginia

One of my friends has been Wiccan for over 30 years. Although the Bible makes it clear that divination and new age practices are wrong, as they do not accept Biblical salvation, honest and intelligent dialogue, based on respect and good will, should be taken for granted by either side. Ambassadors don’t barge into a country and impose themselves but cultivate good relationships with the people that they live with. In that way, Christians might earn the respect of certain people who might then come to appreciate more fully the person witnessing their Christian faith, ‘only using words if they have to’, backed up by prayer. There may be a time to say something but people are very sensitive about their beliefs and a little criticism goes a long way. I think ‘walking the walk’, and acting with consideration, is itself a testimony. When the Holy Spirit starts to speak to people in their heart, they suddenly become reflective and we may do better to stand back and act as a prayerful midwife in that opportunity.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Kelly

I have to agree with Virginia’s post on this matter and also to the authors reply. I think that wicca is attractive, especially to young people who may feel that they have a ‘spritual void’ expecially if they have been brought up in a secular way – i think that it is a symptom of the fact that we all recognise within us that there is a ‘peice of the puzzle’ missing; it’s just that not everyone on that journey recognises that the missing peice is God and Jesus – however i think that a gentle approach is more persausive to people who have a spiritual hunger (this is the bit that i agree with from Virginia’s perspective). Lastly i think that wicca sometimes appeals to people from a femanist perspective – i don’t think that many people realise how empowering to women the catholic church auctually is and how women are also at the core of our religion (I am also doing RCIA and will be received into the church at Easter – in the catholic church i have found what i was looking for, it is helping me on my journey to know Christ in a much deeper way than previously).

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Michele Ayala

A much needed book in today’s world! The book is not only for those who find themselves caught up in Wicca, but for those who know someone who is.

Thank you for giving Catholics a source to educate themselves and those who are playing the dangerous game named Wicca.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Susanne

Great post, and certainly Wicca is a fast-growing phenomenon in the Western world. I suspect that could be because, unlike in many African nations, we think we are “above” such “superstitions” – we don’t take witchcraft seriously because either 1) we think, as Christians, we’re not vulnerable; or 2) many non-Christians think there’s nothing beyond what is seen, pure science.

In many African nations people take curses, voodoo, witchcraft etc. extremely seriously and sometimes, quite rightly so. As the author says, if done right – i.e. this doesn’t necessarily apply to teenagers dabbling in Ouija boards – there is a lot of power in Wiccan practices and they can have serious consequences.

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Jeffrey Steel

Thank you for the word about your new blog. I will link the blog to my personal web page as well and make an announcement about the CTS blog as well. With the new film The Rite and the book as well, I especially appreciate the new book on Wicca and other occult trappings that so many young people are dabbling into a bit.

Thank you and God bless!

Jeffrey

Posted On
Feb 15, 2011
Posted By
Dandelion

lookinf forward to using this blog I AM CURRENTLY DOING A RICA COURSE AND WILL BE RECIEVED INTO THE CHURCH AT EASTER.

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